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Sorry for posting this sort of message on the forum but assume he is active here and couldn’t see on the members list. 

I saw on Twitter that you said you couldn’t set odds on BF Bot Manager to your desired value level etc. You definitely can. There is pretty much nothing that the software can’t do. I have it doing some incredible stuff at the moment.

Drop me a message and I can help you out. Alternatively if someone could let him know via Twitter. 

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General Belgrano here. Sounds brilliant mate, will pm you 🙂

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When you back on Twitter Dio?

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chancandan said
When you back on Twitter Dio?

  

Not sure. I cant get any response off them so I don’t know if im permanently banned or suspended waiting for them to unlock. If its the former there isn’t any point in me joining up again on my phone etc as they’ll just re-ban apparently and will match up my IP addresses etc. 

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Lord Dio said
Sorry for posting this sort of message on the forum but assume he is active here and couldn’t see on the members list. 

I saw on Twitter that you said you couldn’t set odds on BF Bot Manager to your desired value level etc. You definitely can. There is pretty much nothing that the software can’t do. I have it doing some incredible stuff at the moment.

Drop me a message and I can help you out. Alternatively if someone could let him know via Twitter. 

  

I use BF Bot Manager too, but all my strategies are pretty simple at the moment.  There’s some more complicated strategies I’d like to automate, but not sure if it’s possible.

Do you know if you can get it to track a price and tell it to only place a bet if the price has dropped a certain amount, from a predefined value, at a set of defined times before kick off? For example, I’d like to say only bet on X if the price has dropped from a price of 2.0 by 1% 20 minutes before kick off and 2% 10 minutes before kick off. I’ve not been able to work that one out, maybe it’s not possible?

Also, I’d like to be able to specify two potential prices that a bet could be placed at. If the first one isn’t matched, say 5 mins before kick-off then cancel it and place the bet at the second price. Maybe that requires creating two strategies where the second one looks at whether the first one has had it’s bet matched or not?

I may end up going down the route of writing a bot myself to place the bets, at least that way I’d be able to program any strategy I wanted, but only if I’m limited by what BF Bot Manager can do. I feel like it can do a lot more that what I’m using it for, but it’s pretty hard to work out how to do things.

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Beeble said

Lord Dio said

Sorry for posting this sort of message on the forum but assume he is active here and couldn’t see on the members list. 

I saw on Twitter that you said you couldn’t set odds on BF Bot Manager to your desired value level etc. You definitely can. There is pretty much nothing that the software can’t do. I have it doing some incredible stuff at the moment.

Drop me a message and I can help you out. Alternatively if someone could let him know via Twitter. 

  

I use BF Bot Manager too, but all my strategies are pretty simple at the moment.  There’s some more complicated strategies I’d like to automate, but not sure if it’s possible.

Do you know if you can get it to track a price and tell it to only place a bet if the price has dropped a certain amount, from a predefined value, at a set of defined times before kick off? For example, I’d like to say only bet on X if the price has dropped from a price of 2.0 by 1% 20 minutes before kick off and 2% 10 minutes before kick off. I’ve not been able to work that one out, maybe it’s not possible?

Also, I’d like to be able to specify two potential prices that a bet could be placed at. If the first one isn’t matched, say 5 mins before kick-off then cancel it and place the bet at the second price. Maybe that requires creating two strategies where the second one looks at whether the first one has had it’s bet matched or not?

I may end up going down the route of writing a bot myself to place the bets, at least that way I’d be able to program any strategy I wanted, but only if I’m limited by what BF Bot Manager can do. I feel like it can do a lot more that what I’m using it for, but it’s pretty hard to work out how to do things.

  

1) There is a steam/drift setting, I’ve looked at it but not yet got one set up. I plan to eventually for a horse racing project but from my discussions with Rade it should be able to.

2) Yes set the first one up to bet say 5 mins before kick off, then create a second strategy and use the “Bet if selected strategy has bets” under Selection Conditions tab and “bet if X strat doesn’t have bets matched on same market on same event”. That said it’s probably easier to set your acceptable odds and choose them to be matched within X minutes. By jumping from say a 3.5 lay pre match to 3.0 on 10 mins between 2 separate bots, you’ve missed all the potential bets inbetween and some decent value as all leagues offer different prices etc. Maybe I need more info to understand that one. 

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Thanks.

Yes, I’ve looked at the steam/drift thing too, but couldn’t see how I could get it to work for what I wanted. To be honest, that one’s further down my list of priorities, but would be good to hear what you get working on that front.

For the other one I think the way I’d do it is have a tipster file with two prices in it (the acceptable odds), one for each strategy, and set up the strategies as you’ve suggested.  I just need to get around to implementing it.

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Beeble said
Thanks.

Yes, I’ve looked at the steam/drift thing too, but couldn’t see how I could get it to work for what I wanted. To be honest, that one’s further down my list of priorities, but would be good to hear what you get working on that front.

For the other one I think the way I’d do it is have a tipster file with two prices in it (the acceptable odds), one for each strategy, and set up the strategies as you’ve suggested.  I just need to get around to implementing it.

  

Why are there 2 prices though? I don’t really understand that process. You should either always enter pre match or always on 10 mins etc. Not switching back and forth? Either entry is matched at your acceptable odds or they aren’t. The relationship between price pre match and X minutes are usually pretty consistent so you won’t create value by waiting in play etc. Again you might have your reasons I’m not aware of but doesn’t sound “normal” to me?

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Probably easier to explain with an example. And yes, I realise that value isn’t created by waiting for a ‘better’ price.

This would be for a set and forget type bet, pre-match, for a system from the FTS sheet.

Say the odds for a particular bet in a system is 3.5 to back on the FTS sheet so they’re the odds I’d ideally like to back at. However, having done some analysis I’d actually be happy to back it at a price up to 5% lower, i.e. ~3.35.

When I come to place the bet, which might be 2 days before kick off, the price may have already shortened to 3.4.  At the moment I just put in a bet at 3.5 and the majority of times it will eventually match by kick off, however ~10% of the time it won’t, so what I’d like to do is say if 10 minutes before kick off the 3.5 bet hasn’t matched then cancel it and place a bet at 3.35 to see if that will match.

If I’d just put a single bet in at the lowest price I’d be happy with (3.35) that would have matched straight away and I’d have missed out on getting odds at 3.5.

Does that make sense?

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Beeble said
Probably easier to explain with an example. And yes, I realise that value isn’t created by waiting for a ‘better’ price.

This would be for a set and forget type bet, pre-match, for a system from the FTS sheet.

Say the odds for a particular bet in a system is 3.5 to back on the FTS sheet so they’re the odds I’d ideally like to back at. However, having done some analysis I’d actually be happy to back it at a price up to 5% lower, i.e. ~3.35.

When I come to place the bet, which might be 2 days before kick off, the price may have already shortened to 3.4.  At the moment I just put in a bet at 3.5 and the majority of times it will eventually match by kick off, however ~10% of the time it won’t, so what I’d like to do is say if 10 minutes before kick off the 3.5 bet hasn’t matched then cancel it and place a bet at 3.35 to see if that will match.

If I’d just put a single bet in at the lowest price I’d be happy with (3.35) that would have matched straight away and I’d have missed out on getting odds at 3.5.

Does that make sense?

  

I think so and of course I don’t have the understanding of how your markets are moving in those 2 days. I’d probably be inclined to set the min price 3.35 from the off 2 days prior and then it might be matched at the highest available price 3.5, 3.45, 3.4 etc which will beat your 3.35 10 mins prior. Ultimately it probably evens out and of course personal preference with all these systems but the important thing is yes the bot could do that.

Have 1 bot set to bet 2 days prior min odds 3.5, then the second bot referencing to it if not matched, placed at 3.35. 

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Yeah, you’re right, it probably all evens out in the long run.  Thanks for your replies.

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