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What is actually going on this weekend.

3 big losses and now about -10pts (started December)

who else suffered massive losses on them this weekend.

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This is a very good method but I’m afraid can suffer relatively big losing runs — if you look at the past results it can do this — but if you stick at it ‘long term’ — and I mean years —  then it will be ok….

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Are you betting them all, no matter the odds or score? Not all qualified and as I see it I think only one lost this weekend (unless I missed some?).

You need to let the market settle at HT and ensure they meet the odds requirement and also are not 0-0.

Since September I am up 23 points on these and I have missed a few winners! Since December I am down 1.5 points, but again I missed some winners too so not the end of the earth if using a bank properly.

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correction, I am up 1.5 points since 1st December.

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salva1 said
This is a very good method but I’m afraid can suffer relatively big losing runs — if you look at the past results it can do this — but if you stick at it ‘long term’ — and I mean years —  then it will be ok….

  

Sorry, did not mean to down rate your post but it wont let me change it now!

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Are you betting them all, no matter the odds or score? Not all qualified and as I see it I think only one lost this weekend (unless I missed some?).

You need to let the market settle at HT and ensure they meet the odds requirement and also are not 0-0.

Since September I am up 23 points on these and I have missed a few winners! Since December I am down 1.5 points, but again I missed some winners too so not the end of the earth if using a bank properly.

  

Yeah, only betting if first half goal and lay odds between 5-7.

Sion, Trabzonspor and QPR all losing bets and only 2 winners.

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No worries ndrury

This is a nice method and I like this SHG method Ian has given us here very much .. the issue can be  the (borderline) 7.0 lay and when you look at it…. Overall, I am up about +16pts this year on this so I am very happy with it, but this weekend, when I looked at the 2 border line ones,  they were both showing at 7.0 the lay price, so I bet them  — if I looked few minutes later then it prob might have shown at 7.2 the lay, so it’d have been a no bet…  they both lost {TRAB V FEN & SION v ZURICH both at 7.0 so -12pts} but such are the fine lines in this game at times. 

I think  I will take the pragmatic view that  if it’s 7.0 then I won’t bet it — I’ll miss the winners but I’ll miss the losers too 

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Are you betting them all, no matter the odds or score? Not all qualified and as I see it I think only one lost this weekend (unless I missed some?).

You need to let the market settle at HT and ensure they meet the odds requirement and also are not 0-0.

Since September I am up 23 points on these and I have missed a few winners! Since December I am down 1.5 points, but again I missed some winners too so not the end of the earth if using a bank properly.

  

Hi there, I had 2 losers this weekend, -10.6 points and 2 winners, total -8.64 points on HT CS Lays this weekend. Since Sept I show 26 points profit

 

QPRBristol CityNO5.6-4.6
MechelenGentYES6.20.98
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SionFC ZurichNO7-6
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Are you betting them all, no matter the odds or score? Not all qualified and as I see it I think only one lost this weekend (unless I missed some?).

You need to let the market settle at HT and ensure they meet the odds requirement and also are not 0-0.

Since September I am up 23 points on these and I have missed a few winners! Since December I am down 1.5 points, but again I missed some winners too so not the end of the earth if using a bank properly.

  

Hi there, I had 2 losers this weekend, -10.6 points and 2 winners, total -8.64 points on HT CS Lays this weekend. Since Sept I show 26 points profit

 

QPRBristol CityNO5.6-4.6
MechelenGentYES6.20.98
AnkaragucuKasimpasaYES5.70.98
SionFC ZurichNO7-6

  

Sion was not a bet for me, when I checked the odds, the lay was 7.2. If it is bordering on 7/7.2 I will wait till nearer second half KO to see what the odds fall on. QPR I had along with the 2 winners.

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Are you betting them all, no matter the odds or score? Not all qualified and as I see it I think only one lost this weekend (unless I missed some?).

You need to let the market settle at HT and ensure they meet the odds requirement and also are not 0-0.

Since September I am up 23 points on these and I have missed a few winners! Since December I am down 1.5 points, but again I missed some winners too so not the end of the earth if using a bank properly.

  

Yeah, only betting if first half goal and lay odds between 5-7.

Sion, Trabzonspor and QPR all losing bets and only 2 winners.

  

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ndrury said

Are you betting them all, no matter the odds or score? Not all qualified and as I see it I think only one lost this weekend (unless I missed some?).

You need to let the market settle at HT and ensure they meet the odds requirement and also are not 0-0.

Since September I am up 23 points on these and I have missed a few winners! Since December I am down 1.5 points, but again I missed some winners too so not the end of the earth if using a bank properly.

  

Yeah, only betting if first half goal and lay odds between 5-7.

Sion, Trabzonspor and QPR all losing bets and only 2 winners.

  

Trabzonspor was not a qualifier bet? I didnt have it as one and from the other posts here neither did others? What odds?

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Just for the record, here is full season HT CS Lays as of today. 26.36 profits I show, but there were definitely 2 or 3 where we could have been matched at 7 and some not matched at say 7.2, so may be slight discrepancies with others

 

14/09/2019Austrian BundesligaMattersburgWattensYES6.40.98
14/09/2019English ChampionshipStokeBristol CityYES50.98
16/09/2019Danish SuperligaSilkeborgOBYES70.98
20/09/2019Belgian Premier LeagueKV KortrijkKV MechelenYES5.80.98
21/09/2019Austrian BundesligaAdmira WackerSt PoltenYES5.50.98
27/09/2019Primera DivisionVillarrealBetisYES6.20.98
29/09/2019Belgian Premier LeagueStandardCharleroiYES5.10.98
30/09/2019Polish EkstraklasaZaglebie LubinLKS LodzYES6.80.98
04/10/2019Primera DivisionBetisEibarYES6.40.98
05/10/2019English ChampionshipDerbyLutonYES6.20.98
05/10/2019Belgian Premier LeagueEupenKV MechelenYES6.40.98
06/10/2019Danish SuperligaBrondbyFC CopenhagenYES5.30.98
06/10/2019English Premier LeagueSouthamptonChelseaYES6.60.98
06/10/2019Turkish Super LeagueGazisehir GaziantepBasaksehirYES5.20.98
06/10/2019Belgian Premier LeagueAntwerpStandardYES5.10.98
19/10/2019English Premier LeagueTottenhamWatfordYES6.60.98
19/10/2019English ChampionshipHullQPRYES5.70.98
19/10/2019Turkish Super LeagueTrabzonsporGazisehir GaziantepYES6.40.98
19/10/2019Austrian BundesligaSCR AltachAdmira WackerYES5.50.98
20/10/2019Belgian Premier LeagueKV MechelenAntwerpYES60.98
20/10/2019Austrian BundesligaSt PoltenAustria ViennaYES6.40.98
20/10/2019Austrian BundesligaRapid ViennaWolfsberger ACYES70.98
20/10/2019Danish SuperligaLyngbyBrondbyYES6.40.98
25/10/2019Polish EkstraklasaLech PoznanZaglebieYES6.60.98
26/10/2019Turkish Super LeagueGaziantepAlanyasporYES6.80.98
26/10/2019Austrian BundesligaHartbergMattersburgYES6.20.98
26/10/2019Premier LeagueBurnleyChelseaYES5.10.98
26/10/2019Belgian Premier LeagueAntwerpKortrjikYES6.20.98
27/10/2019Danish SuperligaHobroSilkeborgNO5.3-4.3
27/10/2019Turkish Super LeagueMalatyasporKayserisporYES70.98
27/10/2019Austrian BundesligaSCR AltachLASK LinzNO5.5-4.5
27/10/2019Danish SuperligaBrondbyRandersYES6.20.98
30/10/2019Belgian Premier LeagueGenkAntwerpYES70.98
30/10/2019Belgian Premier LeagueMechelenSint TruidenYES6.80.98
03/11/2019Turkish Super LeagueKasimpasaMalatyasporYES70.98
03/11/2019Austrian BundesligaLinzRapid ViennaYES70.98
09/11/2019Danish SuperligaAC HorsensSilkeborgYES50.98
09/11/2019Austrian BundesligaSt PoltenWSG WattensYES5.90.98
09/11/2019Austrian BundesligaSCR AltachRapid ViennaNO6.6-5.6
10/11/2019Austrian BundesligaAustria ViennaMattersburgYES6.60.98
10/11/2019Belgian Premier LeagueAntwerpClub BruggeYES6.40.98
23/11/2019Austrian BundesligaMattersburgWolfsberger ACYES70.98
23/11/2019Belgian Premier LeagueWaasland-BeverenCercle BruggeYES6.20.98
24/11/2019Danish SuperligaSilkeborgEsbjergYES60.98
 Belgian Premier LeagueGentAntwerpYES5.90.98
 Danish SuperligaAGFBrondbyYES50.98
29/11/2019Danish SuperligaLyngbyFC NordsjaellandYES70.98
30/11/2019Swiss Super LeagueSionThunYES6.20.98
01/12/2019Danish SuperligaFC CopenhagenBrondbyYES5.40.98
01/12/2019Danish SuperligaRandersSonderjyskEYES5.60.98
04/12/2019Premier LeagueSouthamptonNorwichYES5.10.98
 Premier LeagueChelseaAston VillaYES6.60.98
07/12/2019Premier LeagueTottenhamBurnleyYES70.98
 English ChampionshipQPRPrestonYES6.40.98
 Austrian BundesligaHartbergSt PoltenYES6.40.98
 Belgian Premier LeagueCercle BruggeGenkYES6.40.98
08/12/2019Danish SuperligaSilkeborgRandersYES5.80.98
 Austrian BundesligaSturm GrazSCR AltachYES5.40.98
 Danish SuperligaFC NordsjaellandFC CopenhagenNO5.9-4.9
 Swiss Super LeagueThunSt GallenYES70.98
10/12/2019English ChampionshipStokeLutonYES5.80.98
14/12/2019Spanish La LigaSociedadBarcelonaYES70.98
 English ChampionshipBarnsleyQPRYES6.20.98
 English ChampionshipPrestonLutonYES5.10.98
 Austrian BundesligaAdmira WackerRapid ViennaYES6.80.98
 Austrian BundesligaHartbergRed Bull SalzburgYES6.80.98
 Premier LeagueSouthamptonWest HamNO6.2-5.2
15/12/2019Austrian BundesligaWSG WattensMattersburgYES70.98
 Swiss Super LeagueSionNeuchatelYES60.98
21/12/2019Premier LeagueAston VillaSouthamptonYES6.80.98
 ChampionshipQPRCharltonYES6.40.98
22/12/2019Turkish Super LeagueGenclerbirligiSivassporYES60.98
22/12/2019Premier LeagueTottenhamChelseaNO5-4
26/12/2019Premier LeagueChelseaSouthamptonYES70.98
 Premier LeagueLeicesterLiverpoolYES6.80.98
27/12/2019Premier LeagueWolvesMan CityYES5.20.98
28/12/2019Premier LeagueNorwichTottenhamYES70.98
29/12/2019ChampionshipQPRHullYES6.80.98
 ChampionshipBristol CityLutonYES5.70.98
 Premier LeagueLiverpoolWolvesNO5.6-4.6
01/01/2020Premier LeagueSouthamptonTottenhamNO6.6-5.6
 ChampionshipQPRCardiffYES5.50.98
05/01/2020La LigaSociedadVillarealYES6.80.98
11/01/2020Premier LeagueLeicesterSouthamptonYES5.10.98
11/01/2020Premier LeagueTottenhamLiverpoolNO5.7-4.7
19/01/2020La LigaBetisSociedadYES5.30.98
25/01/2020Turkish Super LeagueKayserisporAnkaragucuYES6.80.98
26/01/2020Swiss Super LeagueThunSionYES6.20.98
31/01/2020Turkish Super LeagueBasaksehirGenclerbirligiYES5.10.98
01/02/2020ChampionshipQPRBristol CityNO5.6-4.6
01/02/2020Belgian Premier LeagueMechelenGentYES6.20.98
02/02/2020Turkish Super LeagueAnkaragucuKasimpasaYES5.70.98
02/02/2020Swiss Super LeagueSionFC ZurichNO7-6
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Are you betting them all, no matter the odds or score? Not all qualified and as I see it I think only one lost this weekend (unless I missed some?).

You need to let the market settle at HT and ensure they meet the odds requirement and also are not 0-0.

Since September I am up 23 points on these and I have missed a few winners! Since December I am down 1.5 points, but again I missed some winners too so not the end of the earth if using a bank properly.

  

Hi there, I had 2 losers this weekend, -10.6 points and 2 winners, total -8.64 points on HT CS Lays this weekend. Since Sept I show 26 points profit

 

QPRBristol CityNO5.6-4.6
MechelenGentYES6.20.98
AnkaragucuKasimpasaYES5.70.98
SionFC ZurichNO7-6

  

Sion was not a bet for me, when I checked the odds, the lay was 7.2. If it is bordering on 7/7.2 I will wait till nearer second half KO to see what the odds fall on. QPR I had along with the 2 winners.

  

Sion definitely a bet for me as I put in a lay at 7 which was matched before second half started.

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I too had a bad weekend but one of my systems, nothing to do with FTS, was also bad so I’ll wait and see what happens to them all.

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7.4 and 7.2 are the official recorded prices for the two Swiss games so neither were bets. If you leave a lay in at 7 waiting to be matched then you can still fall outside the system rules as you are getting matched on the back side of the book and it may never have been 7 to lay during half time. 

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These are only Betfair prices, what happens if you use Betdaq like me where you can get better prices because of the difference. i.e. it might say 7.0  to 7.2 on Betfair but could be 6.8 to 7.4 on Betdaq meaning you get a better price if you get matched.

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danny2 said
7.4 and 7.2 are the official recorded prices for the two Swiss games so neither were bets. If you leave a lay in at 7 waiting to be matched then you can still fall outside the system rules as you are getting matched on the back side of the book and it may never have been 7 to lay during half time. 

  

Hi Danny, where do you get these official recorded prices please? That Sion game, do we not put in a lay bet between 5 and 7 ? I put in a lay bet at 7 during HT and it was matched? Obviously if it doesnt get matched, then I am out 5 seconds before second half starts, but yesterday it got matched so was a bet? Fine margins ! Thanks

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7.4 and 7.2 are the official recorded prices for the two Swiss games so neither were bets. If you leave a lay in at 7 waiting to be matched then you can still fall outside the system rules as you are getting matched on the back side of the book and it may never have been 7 to lay during half time. 

  

Hi Danny, where do you get these official recorded prices please? That Sion game, do we not put in a lay bet between 5 and 7 ? I put in a lay bet at 7 during HT and it was matched? Obviously if it doesnt get matched, then I am out 5 seconds before second half starts, but yesterday it got matched so was a bet? Fine margins ! Thanks

  

You might be right Steve, I’d need to check again, I only enter if it’s between 5 and 7 on the lay side. The prices were recorded on the FDD HT prices sheet for yesterday. 

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Hi All

Even though you can get matched the two Swiss games, they were not qualifiers for this system.

You have to be careful as you are altering the parameters of the system.

Just for piece of mind you can check FDD prices.

It is tempting to stick a bet on, but if you stick to the rules you cant go wrong.

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It depends when you check the odds during the half time break as they can move a couple of ticks, so there will be discrepancies with the borderline ones. I checked Sion a couple of minutes into the HT break and the lay odds were 7. Out of interest, at what time are the FDD prices checked?

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Yeah just checked fdd and the price was 7.2, when I checked it was 6.8 so I placed my lay.

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