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What is actually going on this weekend.

3 big losses and now about -10pts (started December)

who else suffered massive losses on them this weekend.

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This is a very good method but I’m afraid can suffer relatively big losing runs — if you look at the past results it can do this — but if you stick at it ‘long term’ — and I mean years —  then it will be ok….

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Are you betting them all, no matter the odds or score? Not all qualified and as I see it I think only one lost this weekend (unless I missed some?).

You need to let the market settle at HT and ensure they meet the odds requirement and also are not 0-0.

Since September I am up 23 points on these and I have missed a few winners! Since December I am down 1.5 points, but again I missed some winners too so not the end of the earth if using a bank properly.

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correction, I am up 1.5 points since 1st December.

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salva1 said
This is a very good method but I’m afraid can suffer relatively big losing runs — if you look at the past results it can do this — but if you stick at it ‘long term’ — and I mean years —  then it will be ok….

  

Sorry, did not mean to down rate your post but it wont let me change it now!

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Are you betting them all, no matter the odds or score? Not all qualified and as I see it I think only one lost this weekend (unless I missed some?).

You need to let the market settle at HT and ensure they meet the odds requirement and also are not 0-0.

Since September I am up 23 points on these and I have missed a few winners! Since December I am down 1.5 points, but again I missed some winners too so not the end of the earth if using a bank properly.

  

Yeah, only betting if first half goal and lay odds between 5-7.

Sion, Trabzonspor and QPR all losing bets and only 2 winners.

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No worries ndrury

This is a nice method and I like this SHG method Ian has given us here very much .. the issue can be  the (borderline) 7.0 lay and when you look at it…. Overall, I am up about +16pts this year on this so I am very happy with it, but this weekend, when I looked at the 2 border line ones,  they were both showing at 7.0 the lay price, so I bet them  — if I looked few minutes later then it prob might have shown at 7.2 the lay, so it’d have been a no bet…  they both lost {TRAB V FEN & SION v ZURICH both at 7.0 so -12pts} but such are the fine lines in this game at times. 

I think  I will take the pragmatic view that  if it’s 7.0 then I won’t bet it — I’ll miss the winners but I’ll miss the losers too 

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ndrury said
Are you betting them all, no matter the odds or score? Not all qualified and as I see it I think only one lost this weekend (unless I missed some?).

You need to let the market settle at HT and ensure they meet the odds requirement and also are not 0-0.

Since September I am up 23 points on these and I have missed a few winners! Since December I am down 1.5 points, but again I missed some winners too so not the end of the earth if using a bank properly.

  

Hi there, I had 2 losers this weekend, -10.6 points and 2 winners, total -8.64 points on HT CS Lays this weekend. Since Sept I show 26 points profit

 

QPR Bristol City NO 5.6 -4.6
Mechelen Gent YES 6.2 0.98
Ankaragucu Kasimpasa YES 5.7 0.98
Sion FC Zurich NO 7 -6
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Steve said

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Are you betting them all, no matter the odds or score? Not all qualified and as I see it I think only one lost this weekend (unless I missed some?).

You need to let the market settle at HT and ensure they meet the odds requirement and also are not 0-0.

Since September I am up 23 points on these and I have missed a few winners! Since December I am down 1.5 points, but again I missed some winners too so not the end of the earth if using a bank properly.

  

Hi there, I had 2 losers this weekend, -10.6 points and 2 winners, total -8.64 points on HT CS Lays this weekend. Since Sept I show 26 points profit

 

QPR Bristol City NO 5.6 -4.6
Mechelen Gent YES 6.2 0.98
Ankaragucu Kasimpasa YES 5.7 0.98
Sion FC Zurich NO 7 -6

  

Sion was not a bet for me, when I checked the odds, the lay was 7.2. If it is bordering on 7/7.2 I will wait till nearer second half KO to see what the odds fall on. QPR I had along with the 2 winners.

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Are you betting them all, no matter the odds or score? Not all qualified and as I see it I think only one lost this weekend (unless I missed some?).

You need to let the market settle at HT and ensure they meet the odds requirement and also are not 0-0.

Since September I am up 23 points on these and I have missed a few winners! Since December I am down 1.5 points, but again I missed some winners too so not the end of the earth if using a bank properly.

  

Yeah, only betting if first half goal and lay odds between 5-7.

Sion, Trabzonspor and QPR all losing bets and only 2 winners.

  

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ndrury said

Are you betting them all, no matter the odds or score? Not all qualified and as I see it I think only one lost this weekend (unless I missed some?).

You need to let the market settle at HT and ensure they meet the odds requirement and also are not 0-0.

Since September I am up 23 points on these and I have missed a few winners! Since December I am down 1.5 points, but again I missed some winners too so not the end of the earth if using a bank properly.

  

Yeah, only betting if first half goal and lay odds between 5-7.

Sion, Trabzonspor and QPR all losing bets and only 2 winners.

  

Trabzonspor was not a qualifier bet? I didnt have it as one and from the other posts here neither did others? What odds?

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Just for the record, here is full season HT CS Lays as of today. 26.36 profits I show, but there were definitely 2 or 3 where we could have been matched at 7 and some not matched at say 7.2, so may be slight discrepancies with others

 

14/09/2019 Austrian Bundesliga Mattersburg Wattens YES 6.4 0.98
14/09/2019 English Championship Stoke Bristol City YES 5 0.98
16/09/2019 Danish Superliga Silkeborg OB YES 7 0.98
20/09/2019 Belgian Premier League KV Kortrijk KV Mechelen YES 5.8 0.98
21/09/2019 Austrian Bundesliga Admira Wacker St Polten YES 5.5 0.98
27/09/2019 Primera Division Villarreal Betis YES 6.2 0.98
29/09/2019 Belgian Premier League Standard Charleroi YES 5.1 0.98
30/09/2019 Polish Ekstraklasa Zaglebie Lubin LKS Lodz YES 6.8 0.98
04/10/2019 Primera Division Betis Eibar YES 6.4 0.98
05/10/2019 English Championship Derby Luton YES 6.2 0.98
05/10/2019 Belgian Premier League Eupen KV Mechelen YES 6.4 0.98
06/10/2019 Danish Superliga Brondby FC Copenhagen YES 5.3 0.98
06/10/2019 English Premier League Southampton Chelsea YES 6.6 0.98
06/10/2019 Turkish Super League Gazisehir Gaziantep Basaksehir YES 5.2 0.98
06/10/2019 Belgian Premier League Antwerp Standard YES 5.1 0.98
19/10/2019 English Premier League Tottenham Watford YES 6.6 0.98
19/10/2019 English Championship Hull QPR YES 5.7 0.98
19/10/2019 Turkish Super League Trabzonspor Gazisehir Gaziantep YES 6.4 0.98
19/10/2019 Austrian Bundesliga SCR Altach Admira Wacker YES 5.5 0.98
20/10/2019 Belgian Premier League KV Mechelen Antwerp YES 6 0.98
20/10/2019 Austrian Bundesliga St Polten Austria Vienna YES 6.4 0.98
20/10/2019 Austrian Bundesliga Rapid Vienna Wolfsberger AC YES 7 0.98
20/10/2019 Danish Superliga Lyngby Brondby YES 6.4 0.98
25/10/2019 Polish Ekstraklasa Lech Poznan Zaglebie YES 6.6 0.98
26/10/2019 Turkish Super League Gaziantep Alanyaspor YES 6.8 0.98
26/10/2019 Austrian Bundesliga Hartberg Mattersburg YES 6.2 0.98
26/10/2019 Premier League Burnley Chelsea YES 5.1 0.98
26/10/2019 Belgian Premier League Antwerp Kortrjik YES 6.2 0.98
27/10/2019 Danish Superliga Hobro Silkeborg NO 5.3 -4.3
27/10/2019 Turkish Super League Malatyaspor Kayserispor YES 7 0.98
27/10/2019 Austrian Bundesliga SCR Altach LASK Linz NO 5.5 -4.5
27/10/2019 Danish Superliga Brondby Randers YES 6.2 0.98
30/10/2019 Belgian Premier League Genk Antwerp YES 7 0.98
30/10/2019 Belgian Premier League Mechelen Sint Truiden YES 6.8 0.98
03/11/2019 Turkish Super League Kasimpasa Malatyaspor YES 7 0.98
03/11/2019 Austrian Bundesliga Linz Rapid Vienna YES 7 0.98
09/11/2019 Danish Superliga AC Horsens Silkeborg YES 5 0.98
09/11/2019 Austrian Bundesliga St Polten WSG Wattens YES 5.9 0.98
09/11/2019 Austrian Bundesliga SCR Altach Rapid Vienna NO 6.6 -5.6
10/11/2019 Austrian Bundesliga Austria Vienna Mattersburg YES 6.6 0.98
10/11/2019 Belgian Premier League Antwerp Club Brugge YES 6.4 0.98
23/11/2019 Austrian Bundesliga Mattersburg Wolfsberger AC YES 7 0.98
23/11/2019 Belgian Premier League Waasland-Beveren Cercle Brugge YES 6.2 0.98
24/11/2019 Danish Superliga Silkeborg Esbjerg YES 6 0.98
  Belgian Premier League Gent Antwerp YES 5.9 0.98
  Danish Superliga AGF Brondby YES 5 0.98
29/11/2019 Danish Superliga Lyngby FC Nordsjaelland YES 7 0.98
30/11/2019 Swiss Super League Sion Thun YES 6.2 0.98
01/12/2019 Danish Superliga FC Copenhagen Brondby YES 5.4 0.98
01/12/2019 Danish Superliga Randers SonderjyskE YES 5.6 0.98
04/12/2019 Premier League Southampton Norwich YES 5.1 0.98
  Premier League Chelsea Aston Villa YES 6.6 0.98
07/12/2019 Premier League Tottenham Burnley YES 7 0.98
  English Championship QPR Preston YES 6.4 0.98
  Austrian Bundesliga Hartberg St Polten YES 6.4 0.98
  Belgian Premier League Cercle Brugge Genk YES 6.4 0.98
08/12/2019 Danish Superliga Silkeborg Randers YES 5.8 0.98
  Austrian Bundesliga Sturm Graz SCR Altach YES 5.4 0.98
  Danish Superliga FC Nordsjaelland FC Copenhagen NO 5.9 -4.9
  Swiss Super League Thun St Gallen YES 7 0.98
10/12/2019 English Championship Stoke Luton YES 5.8 0.98
14/12/2019 Spanish La Liga Sociedad Barcelona YES 7 0.98
  English Championship Barnsley QPR YES 6.2 0.98
  English Championship Preston Luton YES 5.1 0.98
  Austrian Bundesliga Admira Wacker Rapid Vienna YES 6.8 0.98
  Austrian Bundesliga Hartberg Red Bull Salzburg YES 6.8 0.98
  Premier League Southampton West Ham NO 6.2 -5.2
15/12/2019 Austrian Bundesliga WSG Wattens Mattersburg YES 7 0.98
  Swiss Super League Sion Neuchatel YES 6 0.98
21/12/2019 Premier League Aston Villa Southampton YES 6.8 0.98
  Championship QPR Charlton YES 6.4 0.98
22/12/2019 Turkish Super League Genclerbirligi Sivasspor YES 6 0.98
22/12/2019 Premier League Tottenham Chelsea NO 5 -4
26/12/2019 Premier League Chelsea Southampton YES 7 0.98
  Premier League Leicester Liverpool YES 6.8 0.98
27/12/2019 Premier League Wolves Man City YES 5.2 0.98
28/12/2019 Premier League Norwich Tottenham YES 7 0.98
29/12/2019 Championship QPR Hull YES 6.8 0.98
  Championship Bristol City Luton YES 5.7 0.98
  Premier League Liverpool Wolves NO 5.6 -4.6
01/01/2020 Premier League Southampton Tottenham NO 6.6 -5.6
  Championship QPR Cardiff YES 5.5 0.98
05/01/2020 La Liga Sociedad Villareal YES 6.8 0.98
11/01/2020 Premier League Leicester Southampton YES 5.1 0.98
11/01/2020 Premier League Tottenham Liverpool NO 5.7 -4.7
19/01/2020 La Liga Betis Sociedad YES 5.3 0.98
25/01/2020 Turkish Super League Kayserispor Ankaragucu YES 6.8 0.98
26/01/2020 Swiss Super League Thun Sion YES 6.2 0.98
31/01/2020 Turkish Super League Basaksehir Genclerbirligi YES 5.1 0.98
01/02/2020 Championship QPR Bristol City NO 5.6 -4.6
01/02/2020 Belgian Premier League Mechelen Gent YES 6.2 0.98
02/02/2020 Turkish Super League Ankaragucu Kasimpasa YES 5.7 0.98
02/02/2020 Swiss Super League Sion FC Zurich NO 7 -6
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ndrury said

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Are you betting them all, no matter the odds or score? Not all qualified and as I see it I think only one lost this weekend (unless I missed some?).

You need to let the market settle at HT and ensure they meet the odds requirement and also are not 0-0.

Since September I am up 23 points on these and I have missed a few winners! Since December I am down 1.5 points, but again I missed some winners too so not the end of the earth if using a bank properly.

  

Hi there, I had 2 losers this weekend, -10.6 points and 2 winners, total -8.64 points on HT CS Lays this weekend. Since Sept I show 26 points profit

 

QPR Bristol City NO 5.6 -4.6
Mechelen Gent YES 6.2 0.98
Ankaragucu Kasimpasa YES 5.7 0.98
Sion FC Zurich NO 7 -6

  

Sion was not a bet for me, when I checked the odds, the lay was 7.2. If it is bordering on 7/7.2 I will wait till nearer second half KO to see what the odds fall on. QPR I had along with the 2 winners.

  

Sion definitely a bet for me as I put in a lay at 7 which was matched before second half started.

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I too had a bad weekend but one of my systems, nothing to do with FTS, was also bad so I’ll wait and see what happens to them all.

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7.4 and 7.2 are the official recorded prices for the two Swiss games so neither were bets. If you leave a lay in at 7 waiting to be matched then you can still fall outside the system rules as you are getting matched on the back side of the book and it may never have been 7 to lay during half time. 

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These are only Betfair prices, what happens if you use Betdaq like me where you can get better prices because of the difference. i.e. it might say 7.0  to 7.2 on Betfair but could be 6.8 to 7.4 on Betdaq meaning you get a better price if you get matched.

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7.4 and 7.2 are the official recorded prices for the two Swiss games so neither were bets. If you leave a lay in at 7 waiting to be matched then you can still fall outside the system rules as you are getting matched on the back side of the book and it may never have been 7 to lay during half time. 

  

Hi Danny, where do you get these official recorded prices please? That Sion game, do we not put in a lay bet between 5 and 7 ? I put in a lay bet at 7 during HT and it was matched? Obviously if it doesnt get matched, then I am out 5 seconds before second half starts, but yesterday it got matched so was a bet? Fine margins ! Thanks

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Steve said

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7.4 and 7.2 are the official recorded prices for the two Swiss games so neither were bets. If you leave a lay in at 7 waiting to be matched then you can still fall outside the system rules as you are getting matched on the back side of the book and it may never have been 7 to lay during half time. 

  

Hi Danny, where do you get these official recorded prices please? That Sion game, do we not put in a lay bet between 5 and 7 ? I put in a lay bet at 7 during HT and it was matched? Obviously if it doesnt get matched, then I am out 5 seconds before second half starts, but yesterday it got matched so was a bet? Fine margins ! Thanks

  

You might be right Steve, I’d need to check again, I only enter if it’s between 5 and 7 on the lay side. The prices were recorded on the FDD HT prices sheet for yesterday. 

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Hi All

Even though you can get matched the two Swiss games, they were not qualifiers for this system.

You have to be careful as you are altering the parameters of the system.

Just for piece of mind you can check FDD prices.

It is tempting to stick a bet on, but if you stick to the rules you cant go wrong.

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It depends when you check the odds during the half time break as they can move a couple of ticks, so there will be discrepancies with the borderline ones. I checked Sion a couple of minutes into the HT break and the lay odds were 7. Out of interest, at what time are the FDD prices checked?

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Yeah just checked fdd and the price was 7.2, when I checked it was 6.8 so I placed my lay.

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