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Been with FTS for roughly 10 or so years.  Just sharing a bit of my betting journey and learnings in hope people can relate and it somewhat helps.

For years, up until 2015, I just dabbled, messed about with betting, half arsed attempts at making a success of this game, chopping and changing systems etc.  Never took it as professionally as what is needed.  I just didn’t know or understand what disciplines were required.

In the summer of 2015, I attended one of Ian’s seminars where amongst lots of things, he demonstrated a £500 bank growing to £37,000 over a 3 year period through running 3 systems from the FTS odds sheets.  That seminar highlighted so many areas I was failing in or just not doing and at the same time, showing me what could be truly achieved.  Sticking to systems, not chasing losses, perfect record keeping, not bottling bets because of my opinion on what would happen in the games, not looking for bets that didn’t qualify etc. etc.  You name it, I was doing all the wrong things.  That seminar transformed everything for me from a practical perspective.  I can now find my own systems, analyse them, correctly stake them, run them and record them.

On to a mindset perspective; it still continues to be work in progress.  Over the 2015/16 season, it was bumpy but stuck at it, finishing about break even. 

2016/17 – got to February 1st 2017, about 12 points down on LTD and thought sod this – over half a seasons work, not to mention the prior season, for a loss.  I decided not to carry on LTD that season, but still recorded the results.  Typically, from that point on, 30 or so points profit would have been made and I was utterly kicking myself.

2017/18 – cleared my head, decided to give it a proper go come-what-may and made about 40 points profit on LTD.  Enjoyed increasing the bank and stakes for the first time and the first real feeling of having some success over a season, operating with discipline.  I had a couple of rogue systems and things in this season that I decided to drop at the end of it.

2018/19 – really good season.  95 points up on LTD and increased my stake 4 times during the season on LTDs.  Loads of bumps, emotions and experiences along the way, but maintained the long term thinking and kept at it.

I have learnt that when things are going against you, you have to plough through it and carry on.  It is so hard to watch money being lost, feeling down about it, feeling the pressure, thinking you’re on your way to blowing your bank, fuming that a home shorty has conceded in injury time to end in a draw etc.  Things can and do turn around and that becomes a distant memory but I’d be lying if I said I still didn’t get bothered by those situations.  For example, this season I have had those weekends where I end up proper pissed off because the bank has gone backwards due to some winning goal being chalked off by VAR like Roma a couple of weeks back, or a late Spurs equaliser last weekend.

I have also learnt that when increasing stakes, your exposure and risk increases and things can feel really uncomfortable.  The reality is as a % of your bank, it is no different albeit it, the amount is more.  That brings nervousness but nothing we can do except seeing it through.  Your bank will grow and it becomes the new norm……until the next stake increase.

I lurk on Twitter and never post anything about my bets, results, successes or failures and I share the below, not for kudos or to have my back virtually patted, I don’t care for that kind of stuff.  But, I hope it can give some inspiration to others who think it isn’t possible (like I used to) to progress at this game.

I have done 2 proper seasons of LTD where I feel I’ve got the setup right.  In those 2 seasons, my LTD stakes have gone from £100 per point to £765 per point.  With that comes some very nice winnings but also some very painful losers and I just maintain the keep looking forward, long term philosophy.  Currently, I am 16.6 points and £12.7K down on where I was on May 1st 2019 – but I’ll just keep going as there is no option other than quitting.

As an aside, I also have 3 x laying HT CS systems, one of which is Ian’s Ultimate selections and the have done well over 3 and a bit seasons at +134 points and grown from £80 to £615 stakes.  I also have 3 x backing home team systems, £250 stake, done these since start of last season, 9 points up – stable but boring system really giving marginal gains, the rare big winner and plenty of surprising losers!

I’m still a long way from achieving what I would like from doing all this, but feel I am on a path to getting there and that’ll probably take another 3+ years.

So that’s me…..some of my good and bad experiences and learnings to date.  I hope it helps others, if not, then apologies for the long boring post!  Happy to answer any questions (please post these in the right forum section) and help others and also looking forward to learning from everyone to get us all further along our betting journey.  I think this forum could be a goldmine of help for our community and have high hopes everyone uses it as it’s intended.

Best of luck to you all.

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Hi All,

Been with FTS for roughly 10 or so years.  Just sharing a bit of my betting journey and learnings in hope people can relate and it somewhat helps.

For years, up until 2015, I just dabbled, messed about with betting, half arsed attempts at making a success of this game, chopping and changing systems etc.  Never took it as professionally as what is needed.  I just didn’t know or understand what disciplines were required.

In the summer of 2015, I attended one of Ian’s seminars where amongst lots of things, he demonstrated a £500 bank growing to £37,000 over a 3 year period through running 3 systems from the FTS odds sheets.  That seminar highlighted so many areas I was failing in or just not doing and at the same time, showing me what could be truly achieved.  Sticking to systems, not chasing losses, perfect record keeping, not bottling bets because of my opinion on what would happen in the games, not looking for bets that didn’t qualify etc. etc.  You name it, I was doing all the wrong things.  That seminar transformed everything for me from a practical perspective.  I can now find my own systems, analyse them, correctly stake them, run them and record them.

On to a mindset perspective; it still continues to be work in progress.  Over the 2015/16 season, it was bumpy but stuck at it, finishing about break even. 

2016/17 – got to February 1st 2017, about 12 points down on LTD and thought sod this – over half a seasons work, not to mention the prior season, for a loss.  I decided not to carry on LTD that season, but still recorded the results.  Typically, from that point on, 30 or so points profit would have been made and I was utterly kicking myself.

2017/18 – cleared my head, decided to give it a proper go come-what-may and made about 40 points profit on LTD.  Enjoyed increasing the bank and stakes for the first time and the first real feeling of having some success over a season, operating with discipline.  I had a couple of rogue systems and things in this season that I decided to drop at the end of it.

2018/19 – really good season.  95 points up on LTD and increased my stake 4 times during the season on LTDs.  Loads of bumps, emotions and experiences along the way, but maintained the long term thinking and kept at it.

I have learnt that when things are going against you, you have to plough through it and carry on.  It is so hard to watch money being lost, feeling down about it, feeling the pressure, thinking you’re on your way to blowing your bank, fuming that a home shorty has conceded in injury time to end in a draw etc.  Things can and do turn around and that becomes a distant memory but I’d be lying if I said I still didn’t get bothered by those situations.  For example, this season I have had those weekends where I end up proper pissed off because the bank has gone backwards due to some winning goal being chalked off by VAR like Roma a couple of weeks back, or a late Spurs equaliser last weekend.

I have also learnt that when increasing stakes, your exposure and risk increases and things can feel really uncomfortable.  The reality is as a % of your bank, it is no different albeit it, the amount is more.  That brings nervousness but nothing we can do except seeing it through.  Your bank will grow and it becomes the new norm……until the next stake increase.

I lurk on Twitter and never post anything about my bets, results, successes or failures and I share the below, not for kudos or to have my back virtually patted, I don’t care for that kind of stuff.  But, I hope it can give some inspiration to others who think it isn’t possible (like I used to) to progress at this game.

I have done 2 proper seasons of LTD where I feel I’ve got the setup right.  In those 2 seasons, my LTD stakes have gone from £100 per point to £765 per point.  With that comes some very nice winnings but also some very painful losers and I just maintain the keep looking forward, long term philosophy.  Currently, I am 16.6 points and £12.7K down on where I was on May 1st 2019 – but I’ll just keep going as there is no option other than quitting.

As an aside, I also have 3 x laying HT CS systems, one of which is Ian’s Ultimate selections and the have done well over 3 and a bit seasons at +134 points and grown from £80 to £615 stakes.  I also have 3 x backing home team systems, £250 stake, done these since start of last season, 9 points up – stable but boring system really giving marginal gains, the rare big winner and plenty of surprising losers!

I’m still a long way from achieving what I would like from doing all this, but feel I am on a path to getting there and that’ll probably take another 3+ years.

So that’s me…..some of my good and bad experiences and learnings to date.  I hope it helps others, if not, then apologies for the long boring post!  Happy to answer any questions (please post these in the right forum section) and help others and also looking forward to learning from everyone to get us all further along our betting journey.  I think this forum could be a goldmine of help for our community and have high hopes everyone uses it as it’s intended.

Best of luck to you all.

Nick 

  

Hi Nick, thank you for this post. Nick, if you don’t mind me asking, when do you increase stakes on your bank please? Do you do it when your bank say grows 20% you increase stakes 20% or something similar? This is my first year within FTS and my staking / bank management needs to be streamlined I feel. Also, would you recommend I have separate banks for my different strategies, or encompass them all as one large bank and work off that? Currently I am running one bank of 10k using only 1% stakes across 6 different systems ( 5 profitable to varying degrees, home wins on short ones 11pts down). Thank you, Steve

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Hi Steve,

No problem.  I have increased stakes by 50% each time bank grows by 50%.  This is likely to change when I get the stakes higher and I’ll probably drop it to 25% increase in stakes to 50% increases in bank to steady things up.

Regarding my bank management, I have 1 bank for my backing home teams, 1 bank for LTDs and 1 bank for laying HT CS.  I’ve never looked at having 1 big bank and running all systems from it so can’t advise whether it’s better or not. 

I find that the segregation of bank per bet type keeps it tidy and also allows your systems to operate independently.  Not all systems win together at the same time, so if LTDs are doing particularly well, I don’t want that LTD bank to be hindered by other systems that may under-perform and thus preventing me from increasing the stakes on the LTDs.  I want each system type to grow on their own performance and not propped up by others.

The other thing is that later down the line, you may wish to introduce new systems/bet types on a smaller starting bank.  So again, you can allocate say £1,000 to that new system and run it independently to the bets you’ve been doing for longer which hopefully will be from a much bigger bank with bigger stakes as you’ve grown it over the years.

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No problem.  I have increased stakes by 50% each time bank grows by 50%.  This is likely to change when I get the stakes higher and I’ll probably drop it to 25% increase in stakes to 50% increases in bank to steady things up.

Regarding my bank management, I have 1 bank for my backing home teams, 1 bank for LTDs and 1 bank for laying HT CS.  I’ve never looked at having 1 big bank and running all systems from it so can’t advise whether it’s better or not. 

I find that the segregation of bank per bet type keeps it tidy and also allows your systems to operate independently.  Not all systems win together at the same time, so if LTDs are doing particularly well, I don’t want that LTD bank to be hindered by other systems that may under-perform and thus preventing me from increasing the stakes on the LTDs.  I want each system type to grow on their own performance and not propped up by others.

The other thing is that later down the line, you may wish to introduce new systems/bet types on a smaller starting bank.  So again, you can allocate say £1,000 to that new system and run it independently to the bets you’ve been doing for longer which hopefully will be from a much bigger bank with bigger stakes as you’ve grown it over the years.

Thanks,

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Hi Nick, thanks for taking the time to reply, much appreciated. Have taken the points on board accordingly. Thanks again and all the best. Kind Regards, Steve

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HI Nick

Excellent post I went to the same seminar and I was determined I was one of the few to see it though to the end like you.

It did have a downturn but it shows what can achieved if you think long term.

 

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Excellent post I went to the same seminar and I was determined I was one of the few to see it though to the end like you.

It did have a downturn but it shows what can achieved if you think long term.

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Thanks Steve. It’s been a good learning experience since that seminar and loads of ups and downs, but enjoyable nonetheless as well as exciting as to how this can materialise in to a life changer.

How have you fared since 2015?

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Hi Nick thanks for sharing that. Being new to this i am fascinated by peoples stories about how they started etc , what experiences they have had and how they cope etc. I think the psychological side and mindset are really important and enjoy reading about it.

Be interested to read about other people who have been doing this long term tbh.

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Hi All,

Been with FTS for roughly 10 or so years.  Just sharing a bit of my betting journey and learnings in hope people can relate and it somewhat helps.

For years, up until 2015, I just dabbled, messed about with betting, half arsed attempts at making a success of this game, chopping and changing systems etc.  Never took it as professionally as what is needed.  I just didn’t know or understand what disciplines were required.

In the summer of 2015, I attended one of Ian’s seminars where amongst lots of things, he demonstrated a £500 bank growing to £37,000 over a 3 year period through running 3 systems from the FTS odds sheets.  That seminar highlighted so many areas I was failing in or just not doing and at the same time, showing me what could be truly achieved.  Sticking to systems, not chasing losses, perfect record keeping, not bottling bets because of my opinion on what would happen in the games, not looking for bets that didn’t qualify etc. etc.  You name it, I was doing all the wrong things.  That seminar transformed everything for me from a practical perspective.  I can now find my own systems, analyse them, correctly stake them, run them and record them.

On to a mindset perspective; it still continues to be work in progress.  Over the 2015/16 season, it was bumpy but stuck at it, finishing about break even. 

2016/17 – got to February 1st 2017, about 12 points down on LTD and thought sod this – over half a seasons work, not to mention the prior season, for a loss.  I decided not to carry on LTD that season, but still recorded the results.  Typically, from that point on, 30 or so points profit would have been made and I was utterly kicking myself.

2017/18 – cleared my head, decided to give it a proper go come-what-may and made about 40 points profit on LTD.  Enjoyed increasing the bank and stakes for the first time and the first real feeling of having some success over a season, operating with discipline.  I had a couple of rogue systems and things in this season that I decided to drop at the end of it.

2018/19 – really good season.  95 points up on LTD and increased my stake 4 times during the season on LTDs.  Loads of bumps, emotions and experiences along the way, but maintained the long term thinking and kept at it.

I have learnt that when things are going against you, you have to plough through it and carry on.  It is so hard to watch money being lost, feeling down about it, feeling the pressure, thinking you’re on your way to blowing your bank, fuming that a home shorty has conceded in injury time to end in a draw etc.  Things can and do turn around and that becomes a distant memory but I’d be lying if I said I still didn’t get bothered by those situations.  For example, this season I have had those weekends where I end up proper pissed off because the bank has gone backwards due to some winning goal being chalked off by VAR like Roma a couple of weeks back, or a late Spurs equaliser last weekend.

I have also learnt that when increasing stakes, your exposure and risk increases and things can feel really uncomfortable.  The reality is as a % of your bank, it is no different albeit it, the amount is more.  That brings nervousness but nothing we can do except seeing it through.  Your bank will grow and it becomes the new norm……until the next stake increase.

I lurk on Twitter and never post anything about my bets, results, successes or failures and I share the below, not for kudos or to have my back virtually patted, I don’t care for that kind of stuff.  But, I hope it can give some inspiration to others who think it isn’t possible (like I used to) to progress at this game.

I have done 2 proper seasons of LTD where I feel I’ve got the setup right.  In those 2 seasons, my LTD stakes have gone from £100 per point to £765 per point.  With that comes some very nice winnings but also some very painful losers and I just maintain the keep looking forward, long term philosophy.  Currently, I am 16.6 points and £12.7K down on where I was on May 1st 2019 – but I’ll just keep going as there is no option other than quitting.

As an aside, I also have 3 x laying HT CS systems, one of which is Ian’s Ultimate selections and the have done well over 3 and a bit seasons at +134 points and grown from £80 to £615 stakes.  I also have 3 x backing home team systems, £250 stake, done these since start of last season, 9 points up – stable but boring system really giving marginal gains, the rare big winner and plenty of surprising losers!

I’m still a long way from achieving what I would like from doing all this, but feel I am on a path to getting there and that’ll probably take another 3+ years.

So that’s me…..some of my good and bad experiences and learnings to date.  I hope it helps others, if not, then apologies for the long boring post!  Happy to answer any questions (please post these in the right forum section) and help others and also looking forward to learning from everyone to get us all further along our betting journey.  I think this forum could be a goldmine of help for our community and have high hopes everyone uses it as it’s intended.

Best of luck to you all.

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Great Post Nick – and great to hear your experiences.

 

i changed my approach in August – always went on that downward spiral 1st big loss of an NBA season, blowing the bank to chase the loss and then refilling.  Not done that this year, rode out the losses and 20 points up on my normal system that I know is statistically sound (I know it’s only 2 weeks old but I’d have been chasing twice historically by now).  Learning to accept losses happen is the hardest part of this.

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Great post Nick a really interesting read…… This is my first year with FTS and I am operating 3 systems one of which is a LTD which is currently 6 points down and I was thinking of ditching it this weekend but after reading your post you have inspired me to keep plugging away and wait for the upturn. 

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Oh, was 6 points the size of your bank? If not you should always stick with a system until the bank is blown, especially true for Ian’s systems as they normally come good in the end.

Also, why it is vital that you fund your bank sensibly, with money you can afford to lose.

So let’s say you invested £500 using a 50 point bank, 6 points down has hardly eaten in to you capital. But you should be prepared to lose the whole £500 before swapping to a different system. Many of Ian’s FTS Betslips mention folks who chop and change at first sign of failure and, you know, they seldom make a profit as they are always searching for “that one system”.

Remember, you are in this for the long-term and temporary losses are just that.

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Hi Nick

Ive done well since the 2015 seminar,one of my issues has been trying to do too much, rather than to stick to what works.

In hindsight just sticking to those systems would have been fine, but I introduced numerous other angles and my bank was split and diluted.

But as you explained in your post this is not an easy life, you have to contend with the ups and downs especially looking at big liabilities, you have to detach yourself or otherwise they will drive you crazy.

The hardest part is trying to explain to others what you do, so now I just dont bother.

Just hope 2019/20 turns out to be another solid season.

 

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Hi Matthew – Arthur is right.  Make sure you have a bank, the right number of points and operate it until bust.  Have the mindset you are prepared to lose that money and it has no material financial consequences on your life, other than a disappointment of the system failure.  Then make sure you have solid systems and understand the risk profile of those systems.

EVERY system will have losses.  The first few months of this season has been tough.  I get how you feel, been there myself, the fear of that -6 turning to -10, then -12 so you “cut your losses”.  As I described in my first post, I regrettably did that.  I’ve lost count how many painful runs of losers over a sustained period of time I’ve had and then standing up some big exposure bets which could further drag me down.  It is nerve racking.

What I have found that has helped, is to keep a copy of every system’s historical results and simulate against your bank as if you had bet them.  Increase the stakes as the points increase by whatever % you would do for real.  You will find that your starting bank of X and your bank at the end of say 3 years is a significantly larger Y.  You then will think “f*ck me, if I had bet these 3 years ago, I’d be laughing”.  Then, scroll through how your bank would go up and down…..look at some of the massive losses on some bets you would of had, look at some of the long winning streaks you would have had…..look at how many times your bank has gone backwards by 6, 10, 12, 17, 21 points……then look how it recovers.  It may help, it may not, but I find some comfort in seeing how it really is the norm to get done over massively one week/month/quarter, but 6 months later, it really was nothing in the grand scheme.

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I’m operating an 80 point bank and my other 2 strategies are doing ok so I am up 8 points overall so far this season. It’s exactly as you said Nick the fear of -6 increasing and wiping out the good work of the other strategies. The strategy has been solid over the years it’s just changing the mindset and trusting it will come good eventually.

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Matthew As Nick explained above your profit will not come from a straight line, it will come in batches eg up a bit down a bit more then upwards still.

I also have made a monthly points profit/ loss of each historical system I bet, so that I know in advance what to expect to a certain degree.

Also I place my bets on Friday then forget about each system till I enter each result on Monday.

Psychology is important but you just have to accept it eg Villa v Liverpool was a fit on my LTD system so you can imagine the termoil being a Liverpool fan 0-1 down then 1-1 and realising I am facing a big loss, to joy when then the winner goes in.

I dont suggest its easy, because if it was, everyone would be making money but they are not.

 

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